White Gays Guide to Dealing With the Black Community – Chapter One: Stop Preaching to the Choir


CHAPTER ONE

STOP PREACHING TO THE CHOIR

So tonight, the Stonewall Democrats, a group I used to belong to but since disassociated myself from, is holding yet another panel discussion regarding Proposition 8…in West Hollywood. I’m starting to believe that there is another type of closet that gays live in and it’s bound my their fear of dealing with people who they can’t control or who don’t agree with them thus forcing them to stay within the confines of say—a city, like West Hollywood and preach to the choir.

I have to say that I find it very interesting that they continue to hold these panel discussions and have yet to reach across the aisle and hold a conversation with folks who don’t agree with their tactics and strategy regarding the No on Prop. 8 campaign…namely Black gays and I am sorry the Jordan/Rustin Coalition doesn’t count.

I mean at the end of the day, this panel is going to accomplish nothing. It’s a group of likeminded people sitting around talking about the same shit they’ve been talking about since the election.

Not to mention the fact that in the 11th hour they told the president of the Beverly Hills/Hollywood NAACP Ron Hasson not to come and speak on the panel.  WTF?  Now what’s that really about.

No shade to Rev. Lee, whom they replaced Ron Hasson with, but just one look at the panel and it’s very clear, this is much ado about nothing and more of the same.

Which leads me to the question, are they scared? Scared of talking and interfacing with people from their own party who disagree with them and scared of talking to Black people other than the ones they know and love?

And I quote from their own words:

Stonewall Democratic Club has gathered some of the best minds in the Equality Movement for a panel discussion on our renewed fight for Marriage Equality. The panel will explore the Prop 8 campaign, its immediate aftermath (the rallies and boycotts), and how we most constructively move forward in our continuing fight for marriage equality.

Moderator:
Rodney Scott
Chair, Special Committee on Marriage Equality, Stonewall Dem Club
President, Christopher Street West

Panelists:
Javier Angulo
Vice President, HONOR PAC
(Latina/o LGBT political action committee)

Ron Buckmire (Lol, it figures)
President, Jordan/Rustin Coalition
(African-American LGBT advocacy organization)

Cary Davidson
Attorney for ‘No on 8’
VP, Equality California

Reverend Eric Lee
President, Southern Christian Leadership Conference of California

Jenny Pizer
Senior Counsel, Lambda Legal

If you’re interested in attending tonight’s meeting and are in Los Angeles, the meeting is taking place at 7 p.m. If you go, please ask them when they are going to come out of their own closet and tell them I sent you.

West Hollywood Park Auditorium
647 North San Vicente
West Hollywood, CA 90069
(free parking lot immediately adjacent)

The Court of Public Opinion

  • nappypride@yahoo.com

    WOOOOWWWWW!!! This was fantastic! That’s right ma!

  • Waiyde Palmer

    I am not going because they aren’t interested in listening to anyone who doesn’t really offer solutions or challenge their preconceived “right” answers. And I am as Opie as you can get if you ignore the Far Left politics, tattoos and working poor/living with AIDS background not from the WeHo establishment. There was also a “virtual” town hall meeting held today that started at 6PM over at the Hollywood Lesbian Gay Center. That is assuming you knew about it or had a computer to participate. You could send questions via email though. None of mine were chosen.

    There is a group of activists, former ACT UP/Queer Nation veterans, forming a group who are going to be holding a Community Organizing meeting in Dec. that would welcome EVERYONE. Local to be determined. They are hoping to build real coalitions based on dialogue and interaction not platitudes and sound bites.

  • Looking Around

    Jasmyne, shut up. You’ve made clear that you are on the side of the Mormons and the other bigots. You wrote your article in the L.A. Times calling gay marriage a white gay luxury, so what the fuck are you doing talking about this now? Go back to your hip-hip and whatever else you do. This topic isn’t for you. No one gives a rat’s ass what an enemy thinks.

  • Peter

    Jasmyne that’s just terrible! They really should have asked your permission before they held this meeting and they should have cleared the speakers list with you too. After all, you’re the voice of the community. Without your imprimatur, this meeting is a pointless waste of time. Surely none of these speakers have been on Bill O’Reilly like YOU have!!

    Did you call anyone and try to find out why Ron Hasson was excluded, or was it easier to lob grenades from the sidelines?

  • Kamikapse

    I’m getting so fed up with that b/s that you’re trying to stir up, Jasmyne :\

    I remember days ago when you wrote your article directed at the white gay people that they should stay away from the town hall meetings.

    What kind of communication do you expect? How is it supposed to work?
    You’ve stated time and time again what you think of “white gays” and their supposed egos (with no differentiation at all)

  • Waiyde Palmer

    addition to my earlier comment..the virtual town hall meeting is today not on Monday as I thought so the perceived exclusion was my bad..as for the above haters, wow, uh..can’t really go on from there..just wow..

  • Ty

    Jasmyne, keep on doing your thang, these white gay bigots seem to forget, they are the ones who put the whole community in this mess with their own hatred of blacks and judging by the angry posts, the truth is stinging them into a further fury of rage and hate. And, they trot out the black gays who love them some white men and women to validated as spokespeople of the black community, give me a break, no one in the black community is going to take the Jordan/Rustin coalition serious, since none of the blacks on it created it and its members from almost everything they have said are as condescending as Dan Savage and that Sullivan bigot.

    And, oddly enough, the ones who are going off on you are the same ones who had no issues with thier fellow white gays spewing the n-word, go figure.

  • This seems to be like the film critic who has yet to see the film. So what, we now have another Dana Miller that will use their “celebrity” to sit back and think their words = action!

  • elg

    Jasmyne, what do you expect when you pointedly disinvited white gays from a black town meeting about Prop. 8 held on 11-22-08.

    I’m a black gay man. I think I understand what you are trying to do but …. Now what? White gays have been “told off” (with good reason) but they prefer to hang with their “token” blacks – as white people always have. This is their way of saying screw you!

    By the way, what happened at that black town hall meeting?

  • Jasmyne,

    Keep speaking out. Many people aren’t outraged by what you say but they’re outraged because what you say is true. Which makes me wonder if they know your stance and are vehemently opposed to you, why are they reading and commenting on your blog and commenting.

    *Shrugs shoulders*

    Oh well.

    Clearly many of these conservative gays don’t get it and in spite of what we keep telling them, they’re still scratching their heads wondering why they aren’t progressing.

    It’s getting to the point that other whites gays are getting fed up with the Gay Mafia and want no part of them.

    But yes keep speaking out and saying what needs to be said. You are as beautiful as you are brilliant. You so make me want to be a lesbian.

    And I echo the earlier commenter, what happened at the black town hall meeting?

  • gmaddison02

    YOUR MEETING(THE ONE YOU TOLD ANYONE NOT BLACK TO STAY AWAY FROM) HAD SUCH A POOR TURN OUT,YOU ARE A PERSON OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO THE BLACK LOVING GBTL COMMUNITY—I HAD A FRIEND WHO WENT I DID NOT. YOU ARE DEVISIVE. STOP ACTING LIKE YOU REPRESENT BLACK LESBIANS YOU DON’T. WE KNOW YOU ARE JUST ABOUT BEING A PR WHORE-YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING BEING A HATE MONGER AND RACE BAITER-ANYTHING TO GENERATE PR-THATS SAD. I KNOW YOUR ‘GIRLFRIEND’ THE FITNESS PHENON IS A RESPECTFUL,BEAUTIFUL WOMAN CENTERED AND LOVING-I WAS HOPING HANGING OUT WITH HER WOULD MAKE YOU GROW AS A PERSON AND LOOK BEYOND COLOR AND STIRING THE POT WHICH IS BEYOND NEGATIVE IT IS HATEFUL BAD KARMA.. SHE SHOULD GET FAR AWAY FROM YOU-I HEARD SHE DID I HOPE ITS TRUE. YOU ARE A WATERER OF BAD SEEDS.

  • Crabs in a barrel. They will continue to bumble their way through things until the day they accept they have to reach across the aisle. I think they’d prefer to find a way around groups of people they don’t want to deal with. There are plenty of those that are deniers and excusers here as well. So everyone is free to do things their way and we’ll see how far people get separating themselves.

  • Kamikapse

    Again, what do you want?

    If they “ignore” black gays we are racist white queens,
    If they try to include black gays you are not satisfied with the people they’ve chosen.

    Who are those people we should be communicating with, in your opinion?

  • Looking Around

    Jasmyne Cannick is an angry, self-hating lesbian who wants to have her cake and eat it too. When she feels like being closeted, she’ll be closeted. When she can make some bucks by trashing gay people, she’ll trash gay people. When her demons get to her, she’ll tell everyone she’s a lesbian and look for the love from the people she trashes.

    When she’s feeling uber-black, she’ll tell white people to stay away. When they take heed her words and stay away, she’ll whine about it. Jasmyne Cannick doesn’t know what the fuck she wants, but she does know that she wants to have it her way at every step.

  • Eric

    Does it really matter who they choose to speak on their panels? At this point, you couldn’t pay me enough to reach out to anything white and gay, no matter who they would have chosen as panelist. I’m just beyond done. Again, we need to support organizations whose primary purpose is to support us.

    Stop putting blood, sweat and tears into movements and organizations that couldn’t care any less about you. Have you forgotten? “Gay is the new black”, which means we as BLACK gays are nonexistent.

  • B.E.

    Yay! I completely agree with you, and i’m so grateful for your willingness to speak publicly about these issues. As a transsexual, i’ve always felt marginalized by the gay community, and have experienced hazing and harrasment in the Castro district of SF. I have sat at cafes in the Castro for 20-25 minutes, during a slow period, and realized after the waiter had passed my table a few times without acknowledging my existence, that i would not be able to order there. I have even been TOLD TO LEAVE several gay and lesbian events. The civil rights argument struck a nerve with me because of the arrogance in it’s assertion as well. I am caucasian, but as a tranny, i basically have no rights as far as the law is concerned. No protection from hate crimes, (unlike the gays) no protection from employment discrimination, and no protection from housing discrimination. (gays have all of these)… At last year’s SF pride, there were several letters to the editor in the “Bay Times” demanding that trannies be excluded from the main march because we are mentally ill, and give off a bad impression to the heteros who may be watching the march. Funny though, at election time I was suddenly included in the acronym, and actually invited to a few events….
    The class division within the gay community is very present in the marriage issue as well. It makes me very sad and more than a little dissapointed to think about all of the resources, time, money and energy that has gone into securing “marriage” (a patriarchal system of ownership, how conformist can you get?!) and meanwhile, the gay streetkids who have been kicked out of their homes are left with no resources, to fend for themselves on the chilly san francisco streets.
    I find the rhetoric about “inclusion” particularly interesting, as the capital G and L communities are among the most elitist groups I can think of! An interesting story comes to mind. While in San Francisco, I was walking through Western Addition on my way to work one sunny Sunday morning. As i passed a church, two elderly women dressed in red came out and told me to come in. I am not religious and hadn’t been to church in years, but i thought, what the heck? Though i was the only caucasian in the place, definately not dressed for church, AND obviously a heathen, i was welcomed, actually invited, and shown a great deal of love and compassion. It’s interesting that i would find much more inclusion in a church than at an event that the community that claims me in it’s acronym organizes.
    Thank you for your bravery to speak the truth, and you have a comrade in me.

  • gmaddison02

    OH COME ON. STOP SWALLOWING CANNICK’S RACIST PABLUM.PROP 8 PASAGE WAS BAD FOR EVERYONE. I HOPE ONE DAY TO MARRY .OUR ARGUEMENT NEEDS TO BE WITH ALL THE CHURCHES THAT FEED A HATEFUL DIET TO THEIR BLIND FAITHFUL,THEY HAVE TWISTED THE WORDS OF JESUS AND MADE THEM REPRESENT SOMETHING SO VITROLIC AND HATEFUL.THEY ARE SO MESSED UP THAT THEY WANT TO DRAG ALL OF US DOWN WITH THEM(CRABS IN A BUCKET IS SOOOO TRUE) THERE ARE THOSE THAT BATHE IN HATE AND DIVISION AND CANNICK IS ONE OF THEM.IT IS EASY TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT QUARTERBACK HERE OVER PROP 8 OUTREACH INTO OUR COMMUNITY. BUT THE EXPLANATION I HEARD MAKES SENSE TO ME-THEY THOUGHT WE OF ALL PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND CIVIL RIGHTS DEPRAVATION. THEY ARE SAYING OUR RIGHT TO MARRY IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE AND IT IS. NO-ONE IS COMPARING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR SO LONG WITH WHAT WE AS GAYS ARE GOING THROUGH. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. BUT IT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE NO QUESTION.TOO BAD WE COULD NOT BEEN BRAVE ENOUGH TO TELL THEM HOW BADLY WE ARE TREATED AS GLBT IN OUR COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF SWEEPING IT UNDER THE RUG.COME ON LOOK @ THE COMMENTS WE GET WHEN WE GO OUT IN OUR COMMUNITIES. NO I WOULD RATHER BEEN IN WE HO ON A DATE AND NOT WORRY ABOUT MY MY DATES SAFETY WHEN SHE STOOD UP TO TELL A MAN@ THE NEXT TABLE WHO WAS TELLING ME IF I WANTED A MAN HE COULD… “AND THEN BE TOLD TO “TAKE THAT SHIT TO WEST HOLLYWOOD…” .HOMOPHOBIA IS ENTRENCHED DEEPLY IN OUR COMMUNITIES-IT LIVES AND THRIVES IN OUR CHURCHES., AND ON OUR STREETS. DON’T LIE YOU KNOW IT IS TRUE-WE FEMMINE WOMEN UNLESS WE SAY IT, IT IS EASIER FOR US THEN OUR BUTCH SISTERS OR EFEMINATE BROTHERS.COME CLEAN AND TELL THE TRUTH.WHATIS WRONG WITH STADING UP WITH OTHER GLBT PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF COLOR AND FIGHTING THIS???? THIS IS WHY I DON’T LIVE IN THE HOOD. I LOVE LIVING IN SANTA MONICA THEY ARE SO PC THERE IT IS ALMOST COMICAL.

  • Ted Smith

    I really don’t know what to make of Jasmyne’s commentary. Two Sundays ago in an LA Times Op Ed piece, you advised the No on 8 folks that choosing the NAACP was the use of an irrelevant organization to the black community. Now you’re pissed the local NAACP speaker was swapped out for someone else. Seriously, what do you want? Over the past year or so your writing at least has marginalized you and know you seem upset about it. If you want to be the Ann Coulter of the LGBT community, don’t be shocked that you’re left behind.

  • B.E.

    P.S.- I find it interesting how vitriolic white gays & lesbians get when they are asked to become accountable for their racism! Jasmyne’s stance on this issue is not a “new” one, but reading these responses to her article, it becomes more and more clear how little the white gay & lesbian community knows or understands this issue. As much as I loathe Prop 8, i am pleased to watch this issue come “out of the closet” and strip people of their pretention, standing naked with their racist ideologies for all to see. I only hope they become humble, it’s getting embarrassing…

  • Waiyde Palmer

    damn..I cannot get over how pissed everyone is at each other..we sure are being the far rights wet dream aren’t we..let them kill each other and we will sit back and enjoy the Left’s confusion and lack of ability to unite and move forward..to the haters on all sides thank you for helping out the people who would relish dancing on all of your graves..

  • B.E.

    And one last thing… No, “WE” (LGBT) are not all the same. I along with so many others have had to learn that the hard way. As an FTM, i’m actually terrified to go into gay neighborhoods, and avoid them. Why? Because it is usually gays who say things like “eeew, it’s a girl!” or publicly humiliate me in the bathroom, or crack jokes about me, ect… I think it’s called “hazing”. Using correct pronouns like “he” “him” ect… doesn’t seem to be a problem for hetero people i know, but it’s like pulling teeth to get many gay men to respect this. For my MTF sisters going to a lesbian event is a terrifying and often heartbreaking experience. They are often excluded, hazed, and kicked out of these events. The Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival has openly denied admission to male to female transsexuals! The irony is, because the lesbians have rights that trannies don’t have in the eyes of the law (protection from discrimination) they can get away with it, and then turn around and talk about THEIR lack of civil rights??!!! Puhleeeze! C’mon, get off the unity crap and admit that Jasmyne Cannick is not the one bringing division to the Gay and Lesbian community, they did that all by themselves.

  • B.E.

    And still the response is.. “c’mon man, what you’ve been through and your life experience doesn’t matter.. join us, lets unite.” Sorry, I have to face the other 364 days of the year alone.

  • Delux

    I am cracking up that people are screeching about your hatred of whitey, as your blog streams that classic of blue eyed soul…

  • yeahisaidit

    …and Delux i am cracking up over the fact that white gays and lesbians are in their clubs bopping to black “divas” wailing over dance beats in the gospel tradition of the homophobic black churches they openly despise and mostly blame for h8tes passage….so your point is…?

  • Eli

    I came hear after listening to Ms. Cannick on NPR, pretty disturbed by her comments, and wanting to find out more. All of this hostility seems so small-minded, insular and shallow. I can only imagine prop 8 supporters smiling at the liberal divide. Sure, white people are racist – nothing new. Blacks are conservative regarding sex/gender – nothing new.

    What seems most important to me is that we all try a bit harder to understand each other, with tolerance, with compassion, and keep our eyes on the bigger picture – which is the fact that broader society in general needs to stop being so bigoted, and realize that people’s sexuality is a natural, personal, healthy part of their identity that should be treated with respect both socially and legally.

  • Yalode

    I too came to this sight because of the op-ed piece, which I found soooo sad.

    EVERYBODY STOP for a moment and be sensible. We will never win the war against discrimination if we are divided. We MUST work together, and yes, Ms. Cannick, that means black AND white and all the various shades in between. Release your bitterness and reach out for any hand that will hold yours, regardless of the color. STOP BEING COUNTER PRODUCTIVE and open your hearts to each other! I know you’re hurt. I know you’re angry. But we’ve all suffered and one person’s pain isn’t more important than anyone else’s. WE ARE ALL ONE, so stop spreading the lie of the illusion of separateness and let’s get together and get this thing done.

    ASHE

  • Delux

    My point? Wasnt to you, yeahisaiditwhateveritwas. Jasmyne, keep it up!

  • B.E.

    Encouraging people to critically think about the conditioning which binds all of us IS reaching out, i’m so incredibly thankful that Jasmyne Cannick is willing to do so even in the face of extreme critisism. THAT is real love.

  • R T Foster

    First and foremost, everyone have to remember that blacks did not get this way overnight and it is not going to disappear overnight either.

    Also, remember history says it all. Slavery, puritanism, colonialism, and imperialism played a part on why blacks are homophobic. Add the bible, and BAM! You have a walking and breathing person who not only are afraid to talk about human sexuality, but impose views of hate, ignorance, and bigotry to the masses. As a black gay man myself question what role should black gay men and women play in the LGBT community.

    Folks, it is time out for foolishness. It is time out for sitting in churches that tell ALL of us that God hates us, it is timeout for letting hateful evil people fire us on the job, it is time out for people who have hate in their hearts killing us. I believe that it is time for black LGBT’s to speak out and raise hell with the black churches, the music industry, and many other places. Because if we do not, the next generation will hold us accountable for not stopping the evil that has ran rampant throughout our communities.

    And order to win over blacks that are not evil towards gays in general, whites need and should understand that working with the black LGBT’s is the most effective way to outreach with the black community. Because if not, you will face a uphill battle and a costly one.

    To end, “Silence will not protect us”. Silence is costly to all.

  • No one will agree with a leader on every issue that’s natural. Jasmyne it takes guts to be gentle and kind, do your thing! People are big on trying to tell somebody what to do once they have the audacity to do something. You’ll hear all the would be leaders, teachers, managers and experts come out the woodwork. I may not agree with all your ideas, but i trust that you are making observations, and based on your opinion and experience your giving your best decisions. My only complaint is why is that juicy fat white man on the side of the page. It is so annoying. And besides this is a black lesbian website is it not? I mean when do we have time to ourselves? Why do we have to be invaded all the time?